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New York Times: Georgia Claims on Russia War Called Into Question

Newly available accounts by independent military observers of the beginning of the war between Georgia and Russia this summer call into question the longstanding Georgian assertion that it was acting defensively against separatist and Russian aggression.

Georgia moved forces toward the border of the breakaway region of South Ossetia on Aug. 7, at the start of what it called a defensive war with separatists there and with Russian forces. Instead, the accounts suggest that Georgia?s inexperienced military attacked the isolated separatist capital of Tskhinvali on Aug. 7 with indiscriminate artillery and rocket fire, exposing civilians, Russian peacekeepers and unarmed monitors to harm.

The accounts are neither fully conclusive nor broad enough to settle the many lingering disputes over blame in a war that hardened relations between the Kremlin and the West. But they raise questions about the accuracy and honesty of Georgia?s insistence that its shelling of Tskhinvali, the capital of the breakaway region of South Ossetia, was a precise operation. Georgia has variously defended the shelling as necessary to stop heavy Ossetian shelling of Georgian villages, bring order to the region or counter a Russian invasion.

President Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia has characterized the attack as a precise and defensive act. But according to observations of the monitors, documented Aug. 7 and Aug. 8, Georgian artillery rounds and rockets were falling throughout the city at intervals of 15 to 20 seconds between explosions, and within the first hour of the bombardment at least 48 rounds landed in a civilian area. 

Kritiken mot Georgien och särskilt Saakashvili tilltar, och det ser ut som om Bildt / Reinfeldt satsat på fel häst när de backat upp honom.
 

Sverige vill tina Rysslandsrelation

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bullshit

ryssarna hade ingenting där att göra, ung som i dnestr republiken, baltikum, tjetjenien osv

att georgierna agerade klnatigt är en annan femma 

det är marknaden som står för tolkandet av nyheterna och du tradar marknaden
TWA

"Yesterday head of the investigation committee of the Russian Prosecutor General?s Office Alexander Bastrykin made a sensational statement: Russia has information that the Georgian party hired mercenaries from the Czech Republic, Turkey, Ukraine, the U.S. and Chechnya to conduct hostilities in South Ossetia."

Foreign Traces in the Strange War

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"Have Russian investigators found foreign passports again? You remember, the Russian Prosecutor General?s Office announced finding a passport of an American mercenary Zemo-Nikozy? And later that person, a teacher of English, who works in China, said that he lost his passport in Sheremetyevo airport in 2005. I guess this time Russians have similar evidence."  

hörru, exnihilo, tack ändå, din nick ger intressanta associatjoner

annars dina georgienlänkar är garbage och du borde skämmas

sincerely

#5

Håller med dig om att mitt nick ger intressanta Associationer

Håller inte med dig om att jag borde skämmas :)

"The hearing in the Parliament lasted for three hours and finished with a big scandal, which was prompted by the former Ambassador?s statements about his having information on Georgia?s preparing a military assault on Tskhinvali. "I got this data from high-ranking officials," Mr. Kitsmarishvili said refusing to name his sources however. "They also told me that certain western governments greenlighted a military operation against South Ossetia and Abkhazia." "
Former Georgian Ambassador to Russia revealed military secrets

"Saakashvili will not leave soon, unless the new U.S. administration decides to "spread" democracy to Georgia without him.

I think the White House and Western Europe have grown tired of Saakashvili's escapades, but there are few, if any, other candidates for his post."
Saakashvili is leaving? It must be a joke

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Har väl hela tiden varit rätt klart att georgien var aggressorn som petade på björnen med påken. Dom trodde dom skulle vara skyddade av väst(US). Nästan som om Kuba skulle börja flippa granater mot florida och tro dom va skyddade av Russia. Och att det skulle hjälpa.

mvh PQ.. 

"On November 28 in Georgian official Parliamentary Commission testimony, on the background to the August events, which saw Russian troops march into parts of Georgia to repel the attack on Ossetians, Saakashvili made the surprising announcement that he had indeed initiated the war.

According to Saakashvili, the attack on the South Ossetian capital, which involved night shelling of residential areas with multiple rocket launcher systems, was aimed at protecting Georgian citizens. He said it was a response to Russia?s "intervention" in the region. "We did start military action to take control of Tskhinvali and other unruly areas. But we took this difficult decision to fend off our territory from intervention and save the people who were dying. It was inevitable," Saakavili said.

The Georgian President claims Russia moved tanks into South Ossetian territory before Georgia launched its attack. He said: "The issue is not about why Georgia started military action - we admit we started it. The issue is about whether there was another chance when our citizens were being killed? We tried to prevent the intervention and fought on our own territory."

Saakashvili?s surprising admission came only hours after the testimony of Georgia?s former Ambassador to Moscow, Erosi Kitsmarishvili, who testified for three hours before he was shouted down by pro-Saakashvili members of Parliament."

"Mr. Kitsmarishvili walked out amid the furor on Tuesday. "They don?t want to listen to the truth," he told reporters. Two days later, Saakashvili proved Kitsmarishvili right."

"Further adding to the atmosphere of almost Laurel & Hardy comic farce around Georgia?s erratic President, who was filmed shortly after the Russian invasion in August by BBC actually swallowing and chewing on his tie, it has now emerged that an alleged shooting incident a week before the Brussels NATO meeting, involving the motorcade of the Georgian and Polish presidents was a staged ?stunt.?"

End of Empire 

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ex nih, ge fan i att spela megafon för moskva

ryssland har alltid varit expansiv, är inte ensam i detta

men för sin politik gentemot granländerna i den gamla stilen som åtminstone västeuropa har dumpat

eller menar du att alla skitsmå stater runt ryssland håller på och angriper sin stora granland hela tiden?

estland litauen, moldavien cecenien, ukraina för den delen och nu georgien

vilka idioter, eller hur?

är du ryss, så kan jag förstå dig

är du inte det så är du en idiot 

det är marknaden som står för tolkandet av nyheterna och du tradar marknaden
TWA

#9 beakta skrivreglerna 8,9,11 

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Kärnpunkten när det gäller Ryssland och Rysslandsbilden i väst är att Ryssland och USA nu åter är strategiska konkurrenter, och att Rysslandsrapporteringen i västmedia starkt färgas av detta. Här en mycket kort grundkurs i ämnet från den utmärkta bloggen Moon of Alabama :

The breakup of the Soviet Union led to a period of gangsterism, accumulating capital in the hands of a number of ruthless criminals. The West, not particularly concerned about "Peak Oil," ruthlessly kept world natural resource prices artificially low, which left Russia strapped for cash. The IMF and World Bank, along with "Liberal" Jeffery Sachs stepped in offering needed loans in exchange for "shock therapy" privatisation of the economy. This privatisation (1996) led to the rise of the so-called "Oligarchs" (many of them Jews with ties to Israel, just by "chance"), who now controlled the media and natural resources. Standards of living and life expectancy plummeted by the unheard of amount of eight years over a period of only five years. Western corporate media was exceedingly favorable to these engineered events, despite decying some "excesses."

Relatively unknown internationally, Putin came to power around the same time as Bush, and was immediately faced with a number of crises, among them CIA financed separatist movements. This was the time at which Bush "looked deeply into Putin's eyes," and thought that he saw a sucker he could manipulate.

Meanwhile, the Oligarch Khodorovsky had assembled perhaps the world's largest privately held gas services company. The day before he was to sell off his company to Exxon (Cheney was in on the secret negotiations), Putin jailed him, ostensibly on tax evasion, and then had the State take over control of the company. (It is instructive of Western propaganda efforts to review NPR's coverage from that week.)

Control of Yukos by Exxon would have given US corporation's a stranglehold on Russian and to a lesser extent European gas supplies, as well as entree to the Oil and Gas riches of Central Asia from the north. It would have vastly changed the balance of power and outlook of the US military invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. It would have gone a good way to giving the US control over its only serious competitor, China's, needed natural resource supplies. Indeed, despite being almost overlooked, I maintain that Putin's surprise 12th hour intervention was the single largest factor in thwarting the rise of US uni-polar global dominance which the Project for a New American Century had planned -- an event rivalling 9-11 in global import.

This is the point when Putin went from Western "soulmate" to strategic competitor. Putin then nationalized more of the economy and asserted control over the remaining Oligarchs. In contrast to the Western view that the fall of the Soviet Union was a heralded dismantling of an "evil empire," Putin has called the event a "national tragedy," a view shared by most Russians. (The event, by destroying the Soviet Union's social contract, also took much pressure off the US to compete for world propaganda purposes with its own limited social contract, the negative ramifications of which extend to the present.)

Putin then instituted a number of additional policies which the US elite consider harmful to their drive for uni-polar global dominance, among others: Better ties with Central Asian and other former Soviet states, esp. Belarus; Better ties with China; the founding of the SCO; a drive to monopolize gas supplies to Europe, including cutting out the former Soviet states of "New Europe"; squaring off with the Ukraine following the Soros-led "Orange Revolution"; using its veto power through its permanent position on the UN security council to counter US moves in the court of world opinion; and publicly criticizing Bush and calling for a multi-polar world.

Because of Putin's strong leadership and unparalelled geostrategic skills the world is a very different place, and I believe a better balenced and safer place, than it would have been with a weak puppet leader under Western sway, as Yeltsin was. This is not to say that, despite extremely high domestic approval ratings, Russians have fared much better, as the country still posseses low standards of living and one of the highest levels of inequality in the world, a far cry from the days of the Soviet Union. 
 

"President Dimitri Medvedev criticized the European Union for having a biased approach in regards to the Georgian conflict. Medvedev however stated that the EU acted in a rational manner by not implementing sanctions against the Russian Federation. F William Engdahl believes the EU response mirrors its dependence on Russian oil and gas. Engdahl goes on to further state that the US provoked Russia to respond militarily and the US as the dominant power is beginning to stumble and "to look desperately for ways to hold on to that power." "US tries to create an 'iron curtain' around Russia

"Washingtons policy towards Russia endangers U.S. national security, says renowned Russian studies scholar, Stephen Cohen. He says relations between the two are now worse then during the Cold War, and Obamas administration is unlikely to change that." `Destabilising Russia is suicidal for U.S.` 

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11,12 bullshit

ni tittar med ???västerlänningens??? ögon, relaterar allt till olja, eller "demokrati" eller som other bizniss

vad som totalt saknas här är att ryssland är en jävla imperialistiskt statsbildning och har betytt oändligt mycket elände för granfolken. det är detdet är frågan om. inte om olja

och det som upprör mig hos exhih är att han trumpeterar okritiskt moskva's propaganda , propaganda som är lika förbannat lögnaktigt, envis och grundlös som under gamla soviet tiden

att ryssar dessutom är brainwashed med statspropaganda är inte ett unikt företeelse, men likt förbannat ett högst otrevligt ingredient.

hos de, alla andra är angripare, faschister, imperialister, u name it, även om det är frågan om ett pyttelitte land eller folkgrupp

så en gång till, skämms för hutlös ryssk propaganda på AG

Kriget i Georgien

Javier Solana: EU, Russia have differences on Caucasus conflict but need to maintain dialogue

US Ambassador Beyrle: U.S. has no intention to punish Russia for August crisis in Caucasus 

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"Is Georgia, a former Soviet republic, a serious candidate for membership in NATO, or is the country in the hands of a reckless gambler? Did the Russian leadership simply defend South Ossetia, an ally seeking independence from Georgia, against a Georgian attack? Or did Russia spark a global crisis when its troops occupied parts of Georgia for a short period of time? "

EU Probe Creates Burden for Saakashvili
 

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En mycket bra programserie producerat av Sveriges Radios tidigare Moskvakorrespondent Vladislav Savic - Putin och Rysskräcken

Radiokorrespondenterna (Poddfeed)

(Sven Hirdman är styrelseordförande i Varyag Resources)   

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du ger dig aldrig

ryssland har ingen rätt att vara där. period. eller i baltikum

allt annat är skitsnack