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Hedgefonder har säkert fått många säljorder... och det finns en risk att dem inte klara med att sälja vilket kommer att sänka börsen...

Glöm inte det är window dressing imorgon och det ingen vacker bild de kommer att rapportera...

Det är efter detta man kan börja fundera köpa

Just nu avvakta...

Och det är du som bestämmer

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" Investors should remember that excitement and expenses are their enemies. And if they insist on trying to time their participation in equities, they should try to be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful." Warren Buffet

#1 Vad menar du med "det finns en risk att dem inte klara med att sälja..." ?

Många hade beräkningsdag igår. 

Mvh spear of destiny

#2

jag menar om de inte blev klara igår så räkna med att dem forsätter sälja idag.

För jag har hört att de fick inorma säljorder...

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" Investors should remember that excitement and expenses are their enemies. And if they insist on trying to time their participation in equities, they should try to be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful." Warren Buffet

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'We are approached by hedge funds considering fund liquidations on a weekly basis

Andrew Shrimpton, the former head of hedge fund regulation at the Financial Services Authority who now runs Kinetic, a consultancy, said: "The credit crisis is definitely kicking in for the hedge fund industry now. We are being approached by hedge funds considering voluntary fund liquidations on a weekly basis." 

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Hedge funds were bracing themselves yesterday for a rush of redemption calls as investors, particularly the super wealthy, try to withdraw their capital by the end of the year.

One manager at a London hedge fund said: "Investors are scared - they want cash. We are not going to be immune from that."

He said that it was likely that companies that run funds of hedge funds would be hit particularly hard. Hedge funds have recorded their worst investment performance for the year to date

HEDGE HELLFIRE

Lehman Hedge-Fund Clients Left Cold as Assets Frozen

``We're probably going out of business and liquidate, game over,'' James, 59, said. ``We've lost 70 percent of our assets.''

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" Investors should remember that excitement and expenses are their enemies. And if they insist on trying to time their participation in equities, they should try to be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful." Warren Buffet

US hedge fund withdrawals hit $43bn in September

Investors pulled at least $43bn from US hedge funds in September as market turmoil led to unprecedented withdrawals, an analysis by a leading research house shows.

The data from TrimTabs Investment Research - which was to be sent to clients late on Wednesday - come as hedge funds are working to prevent far bigger redemptions by the end of the year, when many funds give investors a chance to take out money.

"Every investor fears other investors will pull their money and so they worry they will be at the back of the line if they don?t also pull," Mr Freed said.

"Nobody will invest in anything illiquid because they think they may not survive long enough to see them rise in value."

A fundraiser for a major hedge fund said the period "between now and December 1 is a sort of death march" for the industry.

The chief executive of a leading alternative investment manager said he expected the hedge fund industry to shrink by 50 per cent in coming months - with half the decline coming from withdrawals and half coming from investment losses.

Conrad Gunn, chief operating officer of TrimTabs, said the $43bn in September withdrawals would mark "the beginning of what we expect to be a series of outflows for the remainder of the year. We expect October outflows to be larger".

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" Investors should remember that excitement and expenses are their enemies. And if they insist on trying to time their participation in equities, they should try to be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful." Warren Buffet

Lahde Quits Hedge Funds, Thanks `Idiots' for Success

Oct. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Andrew Lahde, the hedge-fund manager who quit after posting an 870 percent gain last year, said farewell to clients in a letter that thanks stupid traders for making him rich and ends with a plea to legalize marijuana.

``All of this behavior supporting the Aristocracy, only ended up making it easier for me to find people stupid enough to take the other sides of my trades. God Bless America.''

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He also suggested that billionaire George Soros sponsor a forum in which ``great minds'' would come together to create a new system of government, as the current system ``is clearly broken.''

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Lahde said the only reason marijuana remains illegal is because ``Corporate America, which owns Congress, would rather sell you Paxil, Zoloft, Xanax and other addictive drugs, than allow you to grow a plant in your home without some of the profits going into their coffers.''



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" Investors should remember that excitement and expenses are their enemies. And if they insist on trying to time their participation in equities, they should try to be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful." Warren Buffet

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Brevet här 

The looming hedge-fund problem

The concern comes as two more hedge funds, Highland Capital Management and TPG-Axon, have plans to shut down funds or have warned their investors of big losses, according to reports Friday. Credit Suisse estimates 30% of the 8,000 hedge funds will close during the next few years

Hedge fund's big threat to market recovery

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Mutual funds börjat sälja med kraft. Och ni kommer att märka det vi börsens stängning i usa...( close orders)

Många som säljer och ingen köpare...

Därför avvakta... billigt kan billigare...

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" Investors should remember that excitement and expenses are their enemies. And if they insist on trying to time their participation in equities, they should try to be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful." Warren Buffet

Hedge Fund Withdrawals Stress Market; Citadel Reassures Clients

Hedge funds are aggravating the worst market selloff in 50 years as they dump assets to meet investor redemptions and keep lenders at bay.

``Even the healthy hedge funds are being forced to sell,'' Mohamed El-Erian, co-chief executive officer of Pacific Investment Management Co. of Newport Beach, California, said in an interview yesterday with cable-television network CNBC

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``What we're seeing now is an acceleration of the shake- out that should have happened a long time ago,'' said Peter Rup, chief investment officer at New York-based Orion Capital Management LLC, which invests in hedge funds.

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" Investors should remember that excitement and expenses are their enemies. And if they insist on trying to time their participation in equities, they should try to be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful." Warren Buffet

spx970: En sak jag har funderat kring det här med fonder som tvingas sälja av, borde det inte vara väldigt hög volym då de vräker ut sina innehav? Eller är det kanske så att de försöker lindra skadan genom att sälja ut i omgångar? Om de skulle sälja av rejält skulle det sätta enorm press och istället säljer de lite, inväntar lite upprekyl och dumpar ytterligare...vilket medför att index inte kan lyfta ordentligt förrän de är klara. 

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Det är i omgånger, för att om de säljer allt på engång så räkna med djia faller med över 2000 punkter på en dag... Och det var det marknaden var rädd för i fredags... 

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" Investors should remember that excitement and expenses are their enemies. And if they insist on trying to time their participation in equities, they should try to be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful." Warren Buffet

Vi får väl se om det finns substans i de här ryktena, men är väl inte helt oväntat om någon större fond kollapsar snart.

Fed ställer frågor om hedgejätten Citadel

"USA:s centralbank Federal Reserve (Fed) har ställt frågor till aktörer på Wall Street om deras exponering mot skulder och andra innehav i Citadel Investment, en av världens största hedgefonder, uppger Wall Street Journal. Citadel förnekar uppgifterna.
Tidningen hänvisar till källor, med insyn i frågan, som säger att Fed har ställt frågor angående Citadel under de senaste dagarna. Men Katie Spring, taleskvinna för Citadel, förnekar ryktena om att Fed ska ha ställt frågor till Citadels motparter och då om eventuella problem med skuldsättningen."

#12

Väldigt intressant att följa...

Så många begravda hundar...

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" Investors should remember that excitement and expenses are their enemies. And if they insist on trying to time their participation in equities, they should try to be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful." Warren Buffet

Deephaven Freezes Multistrategy Hedge Fund to Avoid Asset Sales

``This level of redemptions in the current market environment forces the question of whether such redemptions can be processed in the ordinary course without disadvantaging both continuing and later redeeming investors,'' said the letter, signed by Colin Smith, Deephaven's chief executive officer .

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" Investors should remember that excitement and expenses are their enemies. And if they insist on trying to time their participation in equities, they should try to be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful." Warren Buffet

#14

Otäckt när fondinnehaven inte går att få ut. När sånt här tillkännages så kan det leda till att alltfler vill försäkra sig genom att ta ut sitt kapital. Om böserna drar neråt igen så kan det bli en panikartad situation, vi får hoppas det inte blir så.

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NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Investors withdrew about 30 billion euros from Germany-based property funds recently, sparking the funds to freeze redemptions and likely spelling big trouble for U.K. commercial real estate, a published report said Sunday.

En fond som har som regel att man kan ta ut sina pengar närsom, fryser kundernas tillgångar i 3-6 månader, man börja fatta vidden av det hela.

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