Valutatrading

AUD/USD  Entry: 0.8936   ...med 1,025,000 dollar. Baserad på en bekräftad W-botten.  

1 pip värd 102 dollar - just nu 0.8947

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Min erfarenhet av forextrading i eurusd: massa småvinster men ett fåtal stora förluster pga dålig stoploss disciplin.

Stoppen är oerhört viktig i valutatrading. Se bara vad som hände när JPY helt plötsligt stärktes för en eller två veckor sen. Eller om man låg kort på Eurodollar som rusade från 1,43 till 1,48. 

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att använda stoploss ar samma sak som att avsiktligt ta förkuster 

vem vill göra det

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det sista han säger är ganska relevant för dollarn

The Coming Fiscal Armageddon  

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#4 Eller avsiktligt unvika megaförluster och få bättre vinstfaktorkvot, W/L %, DD etc. Jag vill göra det.

Vinstplock AUD/USD idag på 0,8995...totalt 59 pips på två dar och vinst $6018  

#& man skall ta förluster efter kellys formel, men hur hamnar man dit 

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#8 Då önskar jag dig lycka till.

om det gick fram o tillbaka, då vore stoploss meningslöst

men eftersom trend finns, krävs det ett stopp enligt kellys formel

hävarmen är ju 400 till 50 o hedgning finns

försöker endast tipsa, alla får göra som dom vill 

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#10 Ok, tack för tipset :)

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 Bergstup på EUR/USD...samtliga valutor försvagas mot yenen.

Köptillfälle...

tack själv 

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Går long på USD mot CAD. En nedsättning på guldet ser ut att kunna ske.

Larry Williams medelar att guldet toppar (cykliskt) kring slutet av januari och sen ner eller sidleds fram till sommarn. Personligen vet jag inte om detta håller med på kort sikt kan det ske.   

Härligt drag i dollarn... 

Storslakt i EURO mot dollarn och samtliga valutor. Massor av stoppar som rök. 

dom jagar alltid stoppar, måste vara nåt speciellt med stoppar 

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Tog vinst i USD/CAD...60 pips på kursen 1,0301...vinst $6086 (2 dagar)

eurusd bra rörelser där, endast en valuta

enklare än så blir det knappast

har sett andra prata om usdcad =1,0000

inte ens tittat på grafen 

all valutahandel är smaskens

eller hur

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bara ett litet krux, 97% går med förlust

50% gör bankrupt på sex månader

av småhandlarna 

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EURUSD - The ratio of long to short positions in the EURUSD stands at -1.57 as nearly 61% of traders are short

verkar vara så hela tiden, ändrar dom sej aldrig

dom är alltså long i dollar hela tiden, 2 av tre är long usd nästan konstant

var det inte usd som rasar ? sedan rehnquist valde bush tillpresident 

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#18 Tokrörelser i EUR/USD dom senaste två dagarna.....USD/CAD ser ut att kunna bryta uppåt...dålig statistik komm från Canada idag vilket eldade på US Dollarn. 

Vart har du fått statistiken från angående 97% går med förlust?

Skulle nog tro att orsaken är att dom inte kan valutahandel särskilt bra, eller är tillräckligt erfarna med hur man tolkar kursrörelserna då det är väldigt mycket TA och inter-market relationships. 

Jag har tagit en titt på dollarns status....och det finns ett intressant scenario som kan bli något mer än bara en temporär uppgång. Det är fortfarande tidigt...

hur som haver, man skall nå

exponentiell tillväxt

om man vinner.

enligt einstein är exponentiell tillväxt

världens starkaste kraft.

det är vad bankirerna sysslar med

den snabbast växande räkneregeln

y=x^t

t=dagar

x=1,01     (1%/dag)

y= vinsten 

idag hade vi uppskatningsvis en rörelse i eurusd

1000%, utav vilken vi skall vinna 1%

med hjälp av tur? eller!!!!

det är en mental grej, till 97%

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TREND är den jobbigaste biten

det finns endast två saker, 

1. TREND

2. range

för att bli av med den jobbiga TRENDEN

får man definiera sin egen range

o spela inom denna range

trolla bort TREND 

men att trolla bort en trend som varar

från augusti till december är svårt,

men hedge är en av dom bättre verktygen

o det erbjuder dom flesta internetmäklarna

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Even though the announcement came yesterday from Merrill Lynch and Citigroup -- the latter being the world's largest corporation -- I'm still not ready to call it "old news" when they publicly declare the need to gin up $19 b-b-b-billion to cover their subprime losses.

And why tread lightly in calling it what it is? These mega-corporations were only doing what similarly large companies have done for decades: When in real trouble, they turn to government.

Yes, I realize that the $19 billion (and counting) didn't come from the U.S. government, and instead mostly from "sovereign wealth funds." These funds, if you haven't heard, are nothing but government-one-step-removed. If that's not clear enough, here's a list of the main investors:

Government of Singapore
Abu Dhabi Investment Authority
Korean Investment Corporation
Kuwait Investment Authority
China Investment Corporation
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal
New Jersey Division of Investment
"unnamed" Middle East investor
Temasek Holdings (owned by Singapore)
CITIC Group (owned by China)
Is this what you thought the financial media meant one year ago, when they were proclaiming "A World Awash in Cash"? 

 

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A while back I posted on the topic of trader strengths, and readers offered worthwhile perspectives on some of the factors that distinguish successful from unsuccessful traders. After much consideration, I decided to approach the topic a bit differently: by outlining four kinds of problem traders I frequently encounter and by identifying the strengths that help people deal with these problems.






Problem Trader #1: The Frustrated Trader - The frustrated trader deals with frequent angry reactions during trading. Sometimes the anger may be vented outward; other times it is turned inward. For example, many rigidly perfectionistic traders are also frustrated traders, because they cannot live up to their impossible standards and thus artificially create failure experiences for themselves. Frustrated traders are often impulsive traders and will make trades to either compensate for prior losing trades or to make up for missed opportunities. Frustrated traders will often ignore position-sizing rules and undergo occasional blowup losses as a result. It's easy to identify the frustrated trader by their physical cues: yelling, cursing, complaining, and gesturing when they should be focused on the screen. The key strength that combats frustration: self-acceptance and being supportive of oneself. Key techniques for combating frustration: setting reasonable goals; using biofeedback for building self-control and calm focus; and mentally rehearsing trading plans/rules to make them more automatic during the trading day.

Problem Trader #2: The Anxious Trader - The anxious trader is consumed with fears of loss, missing out on objective opportunity either by not taking signals or by sizing positions too conservatively.

In a sense, the anxious trader is more concerned about not losing than about winning. This risk aversion can lead to analysis paralysis, as the trader waits for the perfect setup that never quite materializes. Sometimes the anxious trader is one who has been traumatized by prior losses. It's too painful to relive memories of those losses, and so the anxious trader exits positions too quickly and is too reluctant to get into positions. A very common feature is cutting profits rapidly out of fear of losing those. Signs of the anxious trader include muscle tension, worry, relief over getting out of positions (or away from the screen), and inability to trade reasonable size. The key strength that combats anxiety is confidence and an ability to accept loss as a natural part of trading. The techniques most helpful in combating anxiety include cognitive methods for replacing worry talk with constructive problem solving; behavioral techniques to calm oneself and reprogram stress responses; setting process rather than outcome goals; and regaining confidence by trading successfully in simulation mode and gradually building one's size.

Problem Trader #3: The Overconfident Trader - Overconfident traders approach trading like a casino--and they're not the house! The overconfident trader typically overtrades, which means trading size too large for their account and trading more often than opportunity dictates. Very often the overconfident trader is attracted to action in markets, rather than consistent profits and sound discipline. As a result, the overconfident trader can be identified by winning periods punctuated by unusually large and damaging losses. Sometimes the overconfident trader is also a desperate trader, hoping to strike it rich. A common feature of overconfident traders is their lack of preparation: they think that anyone can make it with simple methods and a gut feel. The problem is that they never spend enough time reviewing markets and intensively watching screens to develop that feel. The key strength that combats overconfidence is humility, a respect for markets and risk, and conscientiousness in crafting and following trading rules. Techniques that combat overconfidence include mental rehearsal and self-hypnosis to instill trading rules and support rule-governance; mechanical position sizing to avoid risk of ruin; and cognitive techniques to intercept and challenge grandiose thoughts following winning periods.

Problem Trader #4: The Defeated Trader - Defeated traders are ones who, in trader parlance, have "lost their mojo". Their thought patterns are negative and this blinds them to opportunity. Very often they will be filled with shame, remorse, and guilt over past losses and very often they enter new trades expecting the worst. As a result, they don't often enter new trades and will miss out on opportunities that are genuinely present. They often stop working at their trading, as anything trading-related is associated with emotional pain. Defeatism thus becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's easy to recognize defeated traders, not only by their depressed mood, low energy, and lack of enthusiasm, but also by their "yes, but" rejection at helping efforts. Very often the defeated trader will focus on losses and mistakes and gloss over progress that's been made: they see the trading cup as half empty, rather than half full. The key strength that combats defeatism is emotional resilience and the ability to use losses as learning experiences. Techniques that combat defeatism include cognitive methods for reprocessing negative thought patterns; structuring of the learning process to emphasize strengths and solutions rather than mistakes; and a focus on attainable goals and the creation of success experiences.

Most of us can identify elements of these four traders in ourselves. If I had to choose, I'd say that I am most like the Anxious Trader. I am quick to step away from markets when my setups aren't there--sometimes too quick! Many of the traders I work with fit into the Frustrated Trader category: they're aggressive, achievement-oriented, and hard on themselves.

Knowing your patterns does not, in itself, enable you to change them, but it's a necessary step. Indeed, I find that, regardless of the patterns, the first step of progress a trader makes is interrupting old patterns that aren't working and trying something different. The ability to stand outside oneself as an observer of patterns is a core self-coaching skill. 


 

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A fascinating study tracked 7000 young people over a 25 year period to examine their success during the middle of their careers.






The researchers found that young people who exhibited positive core self-evaluations earned significantly more than their lower self esteem counterparts. Family socioeconomic status and academic achievement were also positively correlated with career success decades later.

Perhaps the most striking finding was that self-evaluations facilitated success by enabling young people to take advantage of their socioeconomic and educational advantages. When those advantages were present among lower self-esteem individuals, higher incomes were not achieved.

In this study, self-esteem was one element of core self-evaluations. Also included were self-efficacy (belief that one can achieve one's goals); emotional stability; and locus of control (the degree to which one perceives an ability to control life outcomes).

The authors stress that we need certain advantages to achieve success (socioeconomic advantages, educational attainment), but that we also need to view ourselves in ways that enable us to make use of these advantages.

Interestingly, the authors suggest that those with low core self-evaluations may avoid opportunities, simply because these could be threatening to their self-views.

The implication for trading is that two traders could begin with the same "edge" in the markets--the same ideas, the same trading system--and achieve very different results based upon their core self-evaluations. It is difficult to imagine a trader taking advantage of an edge if he or she did not truly experience themselves as worthy and efficacious.

Perhaps this is why research finds that the four dimensions of core self-evaluations are highly correlated with job satisfaction and job performance. When we think we can make a difference, we are most likely to pour ourselves into our work and find it fulfilling. Perhaps, too, this is why so few traders succeed in making trading a career: their learning process undercuts, rather than boosts, their core self-evaluations by failing to structure the learning in a way that promotes experiences of mastery 
 

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Cognitive researchers emphasize that our emotional responses are mediated by appraisals: judgments about ourselves and the world. Two people might take the same examination.






One feels capable and prepared; the other assesses himself to be incapable of passing. It?s the latter student who will be likely to experience test anxiety.

In that sense, emotion is an experiential barometer that connects us to our evaluations of events and situations in real time.

One of the most fundamental appraisals we can make is whether we have been right or wrong in our decisions and actions. When we deem that we have acted properly and effectively, we experience satisfaction and pride. When we perceive that we have fallen short in our actions, the result is frustration and regret.

When we experience regret, we act as our own judge and critic. For most people, this makes regret an aversive state. The desire to reduce or eliminate regret thus becomes a powerful motivation.

Consider the trader who exits a trade and takes a small profit, only to have the position move further in his direction. Although the trader has taken a profit, the dominant perception may be, "I should have held the position longer." Topmost of the mind is not the amount earned, but the amount left on the table.

Our trader is in a situation in which he may very well use the next trade to reduce his regret. Perhaps he will chase the market to get in on the move. Perhaps he will fade the market?s move in hopes of undoing the missed opportunity. In either case, his trading decision is colored by his need to reduce his aversive state. It will not be a decision made solely on the basis of opportunity.

Some of the most painful trading incidents of regret occur when a trader misses a top or bottom in the market and then refuses to get into an indicated trade, hoping that the market will pull back and provide another opportunity for the perfect entry. Many times this leaves the trader on the sidelines for an extended move that had been anticipated, magnifying regret many times over.

Perfectionism is the close cousin of regret. When we set perfectionistic goals, we set ourselves up to fall short. This leaves us with plenty of opportunity for regret. It is difficult to experience confidence in trading when our self-appraisals chronically tell us that we're falling short.


Because we are fallible and markets are not perfectly predictable, there will always be opportunities for regret in trading. We will take profits too early and miss moves; we will hold on for large gains and see our paper profits eroded. At best we will take pieces of moves and participate in only a fraction of the moves generated by markets. Every trader must learn to live with a certain amount of regret.

That is not necessarily a bad thing. Regret can be a positive motivator as well as an emotional trap. When we look back on mistakes we make or opportunities we miss, regret can lead us to learn from those experiences so that we will not repeat them.

Regret is one of the prime motivators behind my position size management, which often has me scaling out of trades. It?s not uncommon that I will have both a near-term price target for my trades (perhaps the midpoint of a trading range that we?ve re-entered) and a longer-term target (the opposite range extreme or the prior day?s high or low). I?ve learned to take a portion of my profits at the initial target and leave a small position for the more extended move (with stop moved to breakeven).

What this accomplishes is the opportunity to be paid out when I?m right on a move and also the opportunity to benefit from the larger move. I avoid the regret of losing paper profits by waiting for the larger move and having the market reverse on me, and I avoid the regret of missing out on a larger move. My position management thus becomes a tool for maintaining psychological equilibrium.

If I experience a strong degree of regret during the trading day, I almost always shut my trading down. I?ve learned from hard-earned experience that trades tinged with regret rarely work out. When I?m trading well, I?m focused on the market and what it?s doing. When I?m trading with regret, it?s about me and "getting even". Indeed, when I find "should have" entering my thoughts, that?s become a cue for me to step back from the screen.

There?s a time and place for "should haves", usually during after-action reviews of the day?s trade. Regret can be an effective prod to examine and improve trading, but it makes a poor rationale for placing trades 
 

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USD/CAD börjar se intressant ut efter en kort korrektion. Ett utbrott ser ut att kunna ske. Eller EUR/GBP...

Fortsätter guldet ner under 876 så lär dollarköparna dyka upp.  

vad är det för fel på eurusd

har du tittat på den andra tråden idag 

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Går LONG AUD/USD...vid 0.8726...med 1,350,000 dollar.

EUR/USD ligger och lurar...väntar på utbrott i takt med guldet som överraskande håller ställningen.

Katapult i AUD/USD...(nu 0.8741)

EUR/USD rush...breakout med flagga

tydligen

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Stängt positionen AUD/USD i eftermiddags vid 0.8775....totalt 49 pips med 135 dollar per pip värde. 

ett räkne exempel eurusd

du har ett konto hos valutamäklaren på 1000 dollar

du vill ha 10 000 om ett år, dvs tiodubblat

då behöver du vinna 1,2%  per dag,  första dagen, måste du vinna 12 dollar = 12 pip, med en egen insats av 25 dollar

eller 1,2 pip med en egen insats av 250 dollar

i dag gick eurusd rakt upp nästan 200 pip, av dom måste du alltså vinna minst 1,2 pip

verkar inte alltför svårt ?

speciellt när man vet målkurserna i förväg, i dag vet man mårgondagens målkurser 

när det fattas 1.2 pip från målkursen , då handlar man o saken är klar 

prova själv

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EUR/USD är en av de mest volatila tillsammans med GBP/YEN och EUR/YEN. Notera dubbelbottnarna i GBP/YEN och EUR/YEN i 60 min diagrammet. Ser ut att kunna hålla brytningen av mittpunkten i "W". I så fall väntar ett rally upp.

Valutatrading är inte enkelt om nu någon tror det. Det krävs en del studier på nära håll för att upptäcka vad som driver rörelserna. Har själv lyckats pyssla ihop en del förhållanden.

Har gått LONG nu på EUR/USD vid 1,4756...med 1,350,000 dollar. 

eurusd

pivot 780

ner 709, 687 

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(eur/jpy) / (usd/jpy) = eur/usd , alltid o exakt, tag bort komman i varje kross 

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eurusd , en gann rörelse , upponed V = 30-70-30

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I'm actually earning interest on my Eur/us Long!.. This is quite a change for onece! It isn't much but.. It is still positive carry! 
 

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lilla gapet på sp500 1364-1352 , hälften borttaget

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eurusd,  pivot 770

upp 850

nu 740-30

ner 709, 687, fib

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eurusd närmar sej fyradagars kanalbotten, lägst nu 718

svårigheten är inte o veta vart kursen går, utan sättet hur man handlar

varje beslut som leder till handling, grundar sej på känsla, enligt nobelpristagare

så din egen känsla är den svåra grejjen i valutahandel, annars är det lätt

nu 713 

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eurusd stutsade mot kanalbotten, nu 730

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eurusd 709

hål i kanalbotten , lägst 707 

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eurusd 697, don't buck the trend

687 var mål2 , fib 

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altid trevligt med kanaler, 697 landade exakt på kanalbotten i minutgrafen

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717 lilla kanaltaket

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eurusd, minutkanalen har dubbeltak

697-722-700

722 fyradagarskanalens gålv

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eurusd pivot 745,  nu720

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eurusd, 690, båda målen 709 o 687 nådda

pivvot 735

upp 770,780

ner 664

nu 710 

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bra avstämning nu på den omvända hs:en

för säkerhetens skull tog dom 886, nu 712

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50% av 591-778 =, tredje målet uppnått 662 exakt

 eurusd börjar kl800 på 770

sedan är det bara praktisera flitigt

säj högt, köp lågt , 

teoretiskt en örelse på 200 pip, varav få hem 12 pip

bortsett från första 50 pip ner, ganska riskfritt

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ja tänk om man fick trada från mitten av diagrammen. vad härligt det vore 

duktig spread där? 

#54 studs mot din hs linje = 662 

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#57 hoel, målkurserna gäller

liksom högra kanten av grafen

kursen MÅSTE gå till målkurser, annars står den still

hur är det med hedgning, har du undersökt ?

#58 ja man får kolla hos andra, att inte åka på 5 pip, men annars är det stabilt 3 pip. deras grafer är fina . att handla från grafen direkt var dom först med sedan två tre år

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hoel det är inte svårt veta vart kursen tar vägen, det vet vi alla o ser  hela tiden 

detta är svårt, har du läst dom tidigare psyk avsnitten i strängen

som han påpekar räcker det inte med att man vet sina brister, man måste behandla dom med, kognitiv metod lär ge resultat

kort uttryckt, om du inte vill ditt bästa o tror på dej själv, går det dåligt !

tyvärr är 97% undermedvetet, dvs minst sagt svårt komma åt 

In the last post, we took a look at anxiety and its effect upon decision making. Anxiety affects trading in many ways, including:



* Inhibition - Failing to take trades indicated by one's research or setups;

* Freezing Up - Failing to exit positions that have hit or exceeded one's stop loss level;

* Cutting Winning Trades Short - Exiting trades before targets are hit;

* Chasing Markets - Entering markets late in a move out of a fear of missing the move.

Notice that these include some of the most common "discipline" problems faced by traders. They are eloquent testaments to the ways in which anxiety can alter our processing of information and skew our actions.

The first step in dealing with anxiety effectively is to assess its causes. There is no "one size fits all" solution for anxiety; an assessment by an experienced, trained professional is important. Here are a few of the assessment questions I ask when working with a trader who has been wrestling with anxiety:

1) Is the anxiety a response to objective danger? - Anxiety is not necessarily maladaptive. Sometimes the dangers we face are very real and anxiety is a useful signal of mind and body telling us to trim our risk. If one's ideas aren't working and market volatility has greatly increased, anxiety may be helpful in holding back, preserving capital, and waiting until conditions (our own and the market's) right themselves. Anxiety is also adaptive in situations in which traders start trading before they've received proper training and experience: their minds are telling them that danger lies ahead!

2) Is the anxiety chronic? - Do anxiety problems predate our trading? Do they show up in areas of life outside of trading? If so, we might be dealing with an anxiety disorder, which affects an amazing 18% of all Americans during any given year. There are structured cognitive-behavioral methods and effective, non-addictive medications (not tranquillizers!) for dealing with anxiety disorders. Getting help from a professional experienced in these modalities is key to lasting progress.

3) Is the anxiety a reaction to trauma? - Very painful, emotional events can leave their imprint as traumatic stresses. Sometimes these events are trading-related; other times they reflect difficult past life events. If the trauma has been recent, the anxiety may not be chronic, but may still require the assistance of a professional who is trained in dealing with traumatic stresses. Behavioral, exposure-based methods are very effective in overcoming traumatic responses.

4) Is the anxiety part of a dysfunctional thought process? - This is a tricky one to tease apart. Anxious feelings can stoke anxious thoughts, but negative thinking can also generate anxiety. Sometimes we see traders engaging in constant worry and catastrophic thinking, especially after a period of loss. This thinking maintains the body's state of preparation for danger, which we experience as anxiety. Cognitive restructuring methods are proven modalities for changing these thought patterns and interrupting periods of anxiety.

5) Could the anxiety be part of a larger medical problem? - To complicate the picture further, a number of endocrine imbalances can manifest themselves as anxiety and mood disorders. If the anxiety is not fitting a typical pattern of situational response or identifiable disorder, getting a thorough medical evaluation can be crucial.

My book on trader performance concludes with chapters outlining behavioral and cognitive methods that can be useful in overcoming anxiety. When self-help methods are insufficient, however, seeking more formal, professional assistance is essential. I have no reason to believe that traders are exempt from the emotional problems that affect the general population. If 18% of the population experiences anxiety disorders in a given year, it means that nearly one in five traders probably are seeing their results hampered by this problem 
 

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eurusd, pivot 715

nya mål ner 625, 575, 525, nästa vecka ?

det är sp500 , 1368-1332 som drar ner eurjpy, usjpy

hedgning gör saken mycket enklare, kan spela på varje studs

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Lite överraskad att EUR mot dollar inte stiger mer kraftfullare mot bakgrunden att guldet gör nya highs hela tiden. Förmodar att Euro-players inväntar räntesänkningen och sen fattar beslut. 1.48...en svår nöt att knäcka.

sp500 går ej över 1363, då går ej eurjpy upp, samma usdjpy

vilket stoppar eur usd 

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eurusd passerade just 744=38% till 738 som är kanalbotten i minutgaf

50% = 728

735 lägst

guld är väl volymmäsigt en mygga

valuta, bonds, börs

optioner av alla slag, utestående 100 triljoner 

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werik> nej, jag har inte undersökt hedgningen, måste erkänna att jag inte riktigt förstår hur du menar. skall även läsa dina inlägg om den psykologiska biten, tack.

Euron har idag varit uppe och gjort en perfekt avstämning av triangeltaket, ett drömläge för kortning med stopp över förra toppen runt 1.4922

#66 hoel, enkelt sa wattson, i triangeln kan du handla hur du vill med hedgning, bara du inte åker utanför felplacerad i en trend

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Sålde EUR/USD positionen vid 1,4842. Vinst 86 pips.... $11610 dollar på 4 handelsdagar.

Inlägget är redigerat av författaren.

Grizzly, tack för lånet, Conquer the Four Fears 

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Dollarförsvagning, kan det vara nått fram till slutet av Februari? För att det skall ske bör guldet försvagas. Idag backade guldet en hel del. EUR/USD står på sig tillsvidare.  

#70 Ja det triggades ju en klockren 123-high i guldet idag i alla fall (dagsgraf) så det låter väl troligt.